What We’re Built On: Gratitude + The Power of Pause | Finding Clarity in Career Paths and Career Pivots
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In this episode, we dive into another one of the core values that shapes Vienna Waits: gratitude.
Fresh off hosting our first-ever Waypoint Retreat, we reflect on the experience, the lessons we learned, and the deep sense of appreciation that continues to ripple from it. We talk about how gratitude shows up as both a feeling and a practice, how it connects to our Pause, Prioritize, and Pursue framework, and why slowing down can actually be the fastest way to move forward.
We explore:
- What it means to live with gratitude beyond the buzzword
- The three proven benefits of practicing gratitude
- The connection between gratitude, generosity, and presence
- Why creating space to pause can spark deeper connection and clarity
- Our simple GLOW Framework to help you build your gratitude practice
We also share personal stories from the Waypoint Retreat, our daily reflection habits, and even a few funny moments (like the banana incident) that show how gratitude can shift everything from your mood to your mindset.
Episode Links:
The GLOW Framework (Ground, Linger, Observe, Write) — Try it for your own gratitude practice
TED Talk: “Want to Be Happy? Be Grateful” by David Steindl-Rast
The Vienna Five Newsletter — where we share more reflections on gratitude, intentional living, and life off autopilot. Subscribe at vienna-waits.com/newsletter
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Speaker 0
Welcome back. We are back for another episode with just Greg and I. So it is a values episode. So we've done a couple of these already. We have done an episode on resilience with the two of us as well as adventure, which are a few of our values. We have six of them total. So the third value we're gonna be digging into today is all around gratitude. And what is gratitude? So when we kinda looked at like, what what does that mean? What is gratitude? Gratitude is both a feeling and a practice. So it's that awareness of what's good in your lives and the intentional choice to actually acknowledge it and honor it. So we loved that. I think we loved the description of that, where it's both, you know, a feeling. You can feel grateful, but then also a practice. You can actually, action your gratitude as well. So and the reason we're kinda diving into this particular value for, for this episode is, the timing of it. We are just coming off of our we host our first ever Waypoint retreat, and I think we're quite literally bursting with gratitude. So we've had a chance to catch our breath, and we're just, yeah, overwhelmed with, the experience. It was so wonderful, and we just feel a ton of gratitude for being able to to run that retreat, to do the work that we're doing for the people that attended, for the support that we received. We just have a ton of gratitude to express, so we thought it was a great time to dig into that. Speaker 1
So why gratitude is important to us? I think it's a word we throw around a lot in just day to day of feeling grateful for this or that or doing a having a gratitude practice or gratitude journal. But that definition, Whitney, you just talked about, that is or that you just shared, I think, really hones in on something nicely that it is a it's a practice. It's about being intentional and present. And the idea that we've talked about in other episodes of this podcast is autopilot is how we can get stuck. There's a a mode of life that we can just get stuck in. And living without gratitude effectively is being in the autopilot mode of just being stuck in a cycle of moving from one thing to the next and not really being mindful or aware of all the amazing things that we have around us. And, I mean, if you're in a situation where you have a thousand dollar iPhone with AirPods or whatever headphones you're using and listening to this podcast, there is probably so much around you that, yes, is stressful and hard and challenging. But if you take another lens at it, there's probably so much to be grateful for as well. Yeah. And and when we think about gratitude, it's that idea of having that intentional presence and trying to remember that because we suck at that so often. Raising four kids. It's not easy it's not easy to look around and feel present and grateful all the time, but we but this is this value is very much something that's important to us and is very much a reminder, to help keep us grounded in that. Speaker 0
Yeah. It's really easy to take things for granted. Right? It's like you're kind of living your life day to day, and, it's it's great. It's really good to pause and write things down, or, we're actually gonna give you some tips Speaker 1
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how to incorporate more gratitude into your lives in a little bit. So we'll talk about that. We do wanna talk a bit about Waypoint, but also gonna give, give listeners just some tips and ways that you can practice more gratitude for yourself. Speaker 1
Yeah. The I think when we started this whole thing, Whitney, the on this theme of gratitude, how we thought we might put that into action and just be more present was was actually and I think when we did the values exercise at first, it was the word that came to mind was generous. And there's a really strong link to this idea of gratitude, I think. But we wanted to be generous with ideas. We wanted to be generous with, people who who came in and either took our program or were willing to have a conversation with us and always just try to bring and give them value in some way. And we felt like if we were aware of the things that we had, whether it was ideas or a way to help, and if we could if we could kind of take our gratitude for what those things are and turn it into generosity into something that was in service of somebody else, whether it was for a thousand dollars or for zero dollars. We felt like that would just put the right kind of energy into the world, and it really it really has. This year, and we're not even done yet, has just been full of so many incredible people coming into our lives and conversations that we've had on this podcast and also just off of it. And, Waypoint, of course, being a huge part of the culmination, I think, of people coming together with this sort of intentional practice of being present and being grateful, for for where for where we were and what have been created. So before we jump into it, we created a three part framework for everyone who attended Waypoint to journey with, journey with us in those those days and the time that we're spending together at beautiful Whispering Springs in Grafton, Ontario. Speaker 0
It was beautiful. Speaker 1
And it was three three part framework. Shocking. Speaker 0
And if anyone knows Greg Boyd, he loves everything in threes. So we had created a three part framework for Waypoint. Speaker 1
Yeah. At one point, it was gonna be four, but four is too many. Nope. Three. Three. Three is just right. But it was pause, and we're gonna actually talk a little bit more about pause in this conversation. Prioritize and pursue. And the aim was to provide a space for everyone who joined us to get clarity on where they wanted to be a year from now, and that was mostly through a professional lens. Some had a different, different take on it, which was great that they took it in their own direction. But the idea just to get that clarity of where you'd wanna be a year from now. And we just saw that I think once people had that opportunity to take away that big question, we just saw a genuine connection between the people who were there and people engaging with us. And even, I think, we found ourselves sinking into that mode of just looking around us and feeling totally Mhmm. Present in the conversations we were having. Speaker 0
Yeah. For sure. I mean, I think when we first, kicked off Waypoint, so we kinda had a icebreaker, which was fun and but we started the whole, like, the whole retreat. We just started with gratitude. Right? We just had to acknowledge what a privilege it was. Like, not many people can take the time away from work or, you know, spend the money on something like that for themselves. So I think it was just a huge we were just grateful for that and the fact that, you know, we we acknowledged our privilege and that we had the opportunity to actually step away from our day to day, the people that were there, and, you know, it takes a lot to make that happen. That's the way we kicked off, kicked off Waypoint when we were there. So that was cool. So it kinda felt like the top of the mountain of gratitude, if you will. But yeah. And then just maybe toot our own horn for a minute. We did get wonderful reviews, from Waypoint, which was great. And I was just gonna read one of them, and it was a bit of gratitude for the two of us for putting on, putting on Waypoint. And it was someone that had just said, I left feeling incredibly refreshed, confident, and eagerly excited to fulfill my greatest desires with the actionable conviction I felt through attending the retreat. There's not enough gratitude to to share with Whitney and Greg for this experience. I left wanting more time and connection with the incredible Waypoint family that we formed. Kinda makes me emotional reading it. It was just it was it was pretty special. And this isn't all about us, but it was we just wanted to take a minute and share that. Speaker 1
Well and I think well, and the point of which is, I think, starting with gratitude, I think it gave everybody this deep sense of, of of there just being a cycle, and I think it was reciprocated through the whole experience. Yeah. And we were genuinely grateful for everyone who attended and for the trust that everyone put in us for being there. We had incredible sponsors that helped put this whole thing together. Shout out specifically to Whispering Springs, Holly Creshen, our caterer, and then Good Vibes Juice Co. There were a number of others, but those in particular really stepped in and made this an experience that was special, for the people that were there. Speaker 0
Yeah. Speaker 1
And then I think a really cool one is our co parents and friends and family of Mhmm. Ryan and Victoria who took on the the work of just taking care of the kids for a couple days. Yeah. Like, everyone had to arrange. We had to do that too. Speaker 0
Yeah. We did. Please watch four children, for three days while we go do this thing. Like, not a not a small ask, for sure. So lots of love going that way. Speaker 1
Lots of love. And so the we started with gratitude. We got gratitude in return. And I think to your point, Whitney, this really isn't all about us, and it's not just about Waypoint itself. But thinking about that and the high that we were on and continue to be on from that experience, I think we're living the benefits that can come from gratitude. Yeah. So before we get into the how to's of practicing it, let's talk about three of the benefits of gratitude. Speaker 0
Three. Speaker 1
Kind of There's three benefits. Speaker 0
There's gotta be more. Speaker 1
Which you which but actually, we have talked about this in other episodes. Usually, I'm the research. I'm the the person pulling the research, but these are these are some journals that Speaker 0
we put together. Do a bit of that this time around. Yeah. Speaker 1
Not bad, Boyd. Alright. So let's go through the first one. And none of these are surprising, but always good to anchor. If you practice gratitude, you get gratitude in return, and it just builds and builds and builds and builds and builds. The first benefit of gratitude is just the the brain science demonstrates or shows that it activates the brain's reward system, dopamine and serotonin release, those feel good chemicals in your brain. So as you practice it, you actually feel it. Your brain has a positive reaction to gratitude, and it just creates a positive baseline mood in your own brain. So if you're not feeling overly happy, overly present, overly calm, having that practice of gratitude can actually create that sense of happiness and calm in your own Speaker 0
brain. For sure. Speaker 1
I think Speaker 0
that's true. Speaker 1
You can trick yourself. You can make yourself happier just by being, taking a moment and being grateful. And, there's actually an incredible video, TED talk from a number of years ago that we will be sharing in our upcoming edition of the Vienna five, that hits on just that. If you wanna be happy, be grateful. Speaker 0
Nice. That's the first one. That's the first one. Number two. So second benefit is relationships. And this is a big one. So practicing gratitude and, you know, saying a simple thank you, sincerely a sincere thank you, I should say, really deepen can deepen a connection. So there's, you know, research on couples who've expressed gratitude. They actually report higher relationship satisfaction and stronger bonds. And that's not just for personal relationships. It can be for professional relationships as well. So in a, you know, team or works workplace environment, that encourages that gratitude. They have just better morale and better collaboration and that kind of thing. So, yeah, I think, like, genuine gratitude often, you know, leads to generosity. So when you're feeling grateful, you want to give back and support others and pay it forward. So just all of that just kinda creates, you know, this ripple effect. It strengthens your, you know, your family unit, your friends, your workplaces, that type of thing. So, yeah, it's really nice hearing thank you. You know? I know you always like that. If you make me a nice dinner or, like, can you just say thank you? Speaker 1
Actually, you know, I gave you a banana this morning, and you were like, I'm not gonna eat that. Why are you giving me a banana? And I don't want a banana. Wasn't looking for a compliment. That wasn't a thing. Speaker 0
She said thank you. That's really nice of you to offer me a banana. But no Speaker 1
thank you. Speaker 0
Freaking want it. That's kinda Speaker 1
I don't want a banana. Lead with the thank you. Speaker 0
That's true. Yeah. I gotta practice with the learn. Speaker 1
You looked at me like, what is that? Why are you giving me a banana? Anyway, digress for a moment. See, these values are here to remind us, Whitney. Speaker 0
That was two. Speaker 1
Remind us. Speaker 0
K. What's the third one? The last Speaker 1
Third one. So research shows that mental and physical benefits can be gained by practicing gratitude as well. So the idea here is that, like we talked about before, you can actually become happier through the practice practice of gratitude. There are physical benefits that come along with that as well. Once you reframe your experiences and you focus first on gratitude as this idea or the lens through which you see the world, you can actually I think it reframes the way you're going to behave and the way you're going to act. So having a more positive attitude or view tour toward the world can actually give you, the, I guess, a more opportunistic or positive way to look at things like exercise or eating well. Speaker 0
Mhmm. Speaker 1
And, it can physically lower blood pressure, help improve your sleep, improve immunity. All those benefits can be linked to just having a positive gratitude practice by feeling calm, feeling more at peace in your body. Speaker 0
I know you journal every morning. Oh, you don't call it journaling. You call it reflection. Speaker 1
They're morning reflections. Yes. Speaker 0
Morning reflections. Is there a gratitude piece in that that you use? I'm actually curious. I don't know the answer. Speaker 1
So this is actually so interesting that you asked today, because I've been feeling so we had Waypoint. And since then, both of us have expressed feeling a little bit out of sorts because I think so much work went into preparing for that. And then there was this big void of there's just none there's there's not a flurry of things that needed to get done the same way as it was before. So in the absence of that, I think we've both felt a little bit out of sorts. And I think another thing, that went along with that for me is I was I've been feeling a little bit out of just out of sorts perhaps with I mean, the kids are changing and they're growing up. And, again, I think probably the absence of of the prep work was making that more, apparent. So just today, I spent about ten minutes reflecting the the gratitude I have for you, Whitney, and the relationship we have and the opportunity that we have to work together. Speaker 0
So nice. Speaker 1
For, all four kids. Specific things about Cole and just how he's growing and and, yeah, and he's growing to this incredible young man. And for the other three kids, I I think seeing that they're becoming more challenging, which is a reflection of the fact that they're growing and changing. And I think that I was just really grateful that they're healthy, growing, and that we get we have the opportunity to Mhmm. Grow and change with them. And I was able actually, I felt everything come into sync and literally come into sync in my brain, following that. Everything became clear. Speaker 0
Cool. Speaker 1
I was able to just kinda meet you where you were at this morning, make the lunches and go through the motions as we usually do, but it it was with a whole different blood pressure, on my side. Yeah. Speaker 0
Nice. See? Nice. I should do that more often. Definitely. Speaker 1
You won't snap at me when I offer you a banana. Yeah. Exactly. I see. And I wouldn't hold and I wouldn't hold it against you if I was in a more grateful state. I would just have let it go. I wouldn't have even noticed. Speaker 0
Yeah. I definitely need to practice this more often. I was do I was on a good, stretch there for a while. It was like gratitude, the five minute journal or something. You write what you're grateful for. And so I was doing that for a while, but, yeah, I think it does help. Right? I mean, even it just changes the lens at what you how you look at the world and the things you have and the things you don't have. And it's really easy. You know, we just, like, we just got pumpkins and stuff on our front porch for Speaker 1
The fall season? Speaker 0
Yeah. Yeah. Fall, Thanksgiving. And so we just got pumpkins, but we didn't have them. And I'm like, we don't have the pumpkins, and I would love to have a sauna at some point. And, you know, it's like these things. It's like sure. They're nice to haves, but look at all the things that we do have and just kind of pausing and, taking a minute to just appreciate the things that you, you know, you we have an abundance of opposed to an absence of, I think is a great way to look at it. So I definitely know that I I can use a bit more practice for gratitude, but it is yeah. I think we have it as a value for a reason, not just for for Vienna weights, but also for for ourselves. And I think it's just, yeah, it's really important. Speaker 1
One of the things that's been interesting for me, actually, that we're talking about it through I think through for a long time in my life, there'd be this feeling. I just feel, call it out of sorts, something in the pit of my stomach where I was just maybe uncomfortable or disconnected in the course of a day. And I think a lot of people probably feel that way, but don't pay attention to it, ignore it, maybe just make themselves busy with things instead of addressing it. For whatever reason, it started for me in university, I remember, and then I would always just be aware of it. And for a long time, that feeling that I was disconnected with something was always an integrity issue. Something was maybe just out of line with what I was doing or something was out of alignment with Mhmm. What I felt was right in some way. What's really cool is since doing this work, I haven't felt that at all. I felt so great every day leaning into the work that we do together and the way we're aiming to show up into the world. But where I have felt that feeling creep back in, I think, is has been when I have started to focus on not the great things that we have, but just like you, the things that we're missing. Yeah. I wish we had more of this or I wish we had more of that. I wish we had whether it's Speaker 0
It's easy to do that. Right? Like, the compare game. Totally. And we don't we're actually I'd say we're relatively good. Speaker 1
Oh my gosh. Speaker 0
Yeah. But it's hard not to. Speaker 1
Yeah. We did we didn't dig into this at Waypoint, but it's in in detail, but it's a question that we like to ask and think about is, would, you know, the twenty year old version, the fifteen year old version, pick an age? Would the early version of yourself look at where you are today and say, wow. That's cool. Speaker 0
Yeah. You're awesome. Speaker 1
You're awesome. Like, you're do either you're doing it or you're and the answer from from one day to the next might change, but I think quite often, a lot of us would say, wow. Like, I remember being twenty and thinking, how the hell would I ever get a mortgage or a car payment or whatever the case may be? Pick your thing. And, and for so many of us, you know, we're doing it. And, yes, there's things that could be better, but we're doing it. Speaker 0
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So I I did mention before that one of the big themes at Waypoint was this idea of pause. We wanna come back to that because this idea of pause aligns so well to the value of generosity or of, of gratitude. And we didn't realize when we put it out there at the beginning, but the idea of allowing space to hit pause, it was actually pretty shocking for everybody who joined us at Waypoint. The idea that everyone would have twenty four hours where all they were asked to do is reflect on this one big question with some exercises to support that thought. It almost felt like gluttonous. It was so much time and space. Speaker 0
Yeah. It was funny. There was actually some people where, like, they realized they didn't know how to be bored or not you know, they use the word bored. Like, they didn't know how to do nothing, but just sit with your thoughts and reflect. Like, you have nowhere to be. There's no Wi Fi. No one's asking you for anything. You just have to sit and reflect and, like, be with yourself. You can be with others there, of course, but there's just nothing to do. And it was really funny to see some people just, like, kind of deeply uncomfortable with that, you know, with the, like, notion of that. Like, what do you mean? I I always have so much to do. So, yeah, it was it was pretty cool. Speaker 1
And I think we were a bit uncomfortable going into it for being totally honest that people might want more. People might say, well, what do you mean? You're giving us twenty four hours and, like, where's the programming? Like, we we we paid money to be here. Like, give us the give us the Yeah. Give us the three steps and the the action packed schedule. But the response is quite the opposite. I think by by preparing the exercises and then offering, hey. If you want conversation, come here. But if you if you want the space, go out there and and take that space. And overwhelmingly, the response was gratitude for the space. Gratitude for the opportunity to sit with the questions and for the the opportunity to just be treated like an adult, which is kind Speaker 0
of Yeah. Speaker 1
Kind of some feedback that came in the the review that you shared before. I think gratitude for being in a space where they could have that space, which is, I think, a great learning for us and really cool, and really, I think, fulfilling of what, you know, is my ultimate dream to always just create flywheels out of everything. It was this gratitude flywheel. Gratitude at the beginning and just people feeling, appreciative of the space and the time that they have. Speaker 0
For sure. You love a good flywheel. Speaker 1
I guess we've said before. We've just said before. Speaker 0
Alright. One thing we did wanna share. So we've come up with a we'll call it a framework. It's how to practice gratitude and incorporate more gratitude into your into your lives, really. So, there's a an acronym. Speaker 1
We also love a good acronym. Speaker 0
We do. We do. Speaker 1
We love it. We love a good flywheel, and we love a good acronym. Speaker 0
Yeah. I know. It's good. Right? Put things into, like, boxes for people. It's it's nice. It's easy to follow. So the gratitude practice framework, it's called GLOW. So g l o w. I'm gonna go through these. But g, ground yourself. So kinda take that pause, shift your attention. Like, start paying attention to some of the small things, things you might often overlook. Could be, you know, as simple as, like, a sip of a delicious coffee in the morning. Like, be grateful for that coffee. You know, there's sunlight shining in the window. Be grateful for that. Or you get a text from a friend. Just see small things that are so easy to take for granted. Just kinda ground yourself in that and shift your attention to those small things. So that's the g, ground yourself. L is linger, so savor it. Notice it and then savor it. So stay with that feeling. Let it actually sink in. Like, close your eyes, feel it in your body, like, twenty seconds, I don't know, thirty seconds instead of just rushing past it and moving on. So that's the l is linger. O. O is observe. So notice how it starts to shift your mood and energy and perspective. So gratitude, you know, again, like, it works and it it helps to rewire your brain. So it kinda makes that feeling stick. So notice that. So, you know, ground yourself in it, notice it, savor it, and then notice how it shifts your energy. So really observe that. And then the w, write it down. So capture it in some way. So whether that's I don't know. I just, you know, send a note to somebody about it or write it in a journal or piece of paper or whatever. But just having it there, writing it down, seeing it of, I'm really grateful for this, you know, cup of coffee today, whatever it is, just helps to make it a bit more real, and it will help kinda slow you down. So that is the gratitude practice framework. Yeah. Speaker 1
Genuinely love that and genuinely use this in those days when I'm feeling a little bit out of sorts. Grounding yourself, linger, observing how that changes the feeling and then writing it down. Mhmm. Are you a visual person? Yes. Because, like, because when I if I write something down and if I try to remember something from earlier, I go I, like, I I can picture what I wrote down on the page if I wrote it down. Is that okay Speaker 0
for you? A little bit. I know that that's huge for you. I can a little bit. Yeah. I think overall, I I'm writing things down helps me all the time. Like, yes, if I'm preparing for anything, it's, like, actually pen to paper writing it out. I used to do, like, cue cards for studying and all that. So, yeah, it certainly helps. Speaker 1
Yeah. I think it's that last step is so important because then it it just helps it to stick. Speaker 0
Yeah. For sure. Speaker 1
There you go. There you go. Speaker 0
So, yeah, gratitude. That's kinda what we wanted to chat through today. We've been about Waypoint, give you, you know, the three benefits of gratitude and then a gratitude practice framework that you can use, the GLOW framework. And, yeah, I think gratitude is just something that becomes, again, just more present, more it'll happen more often. You'll become more aware the more you practice it. So, I think we we hope that everyone kinda incorporates a little bit more gratitude into their into their lives. Speaker 1
So before we let her own go, what are you grateful for today, Whitney? Speaker 0
Oh, me? I didn't know that was coming. What am I grateful for today? In a wet So quick quick aside. I'll try to make this short. I ran a half marathon yesterday, and it wasn't great. I I ran it. I didn't run the whole time, which is rare for me. This is my third half marathon I've ever done, and I was sick after waypoint. I kinda crashed, so I was fighting sickness. I slept, like, maybe three hours on Saturday night. So, like, the night before the race, I just had no gas in my tank. And, I showed up. I did it. And so I think I was just grateful. I'm grateful for my strength. I'm grateful for, my body. I'm grateful that I'm in a place in my life, and I'm here. And I was able even to just get to that start line and make it across the finish line no matter what, how I was feeling. So I think I had a lot of gratitude for that. My initial reaction to, you know, having to actually stop during the race and walk for a little bit, I was frustrated with myself. And then I think today, after reflecting, it's like, you know what? I just need to be grateful for my body and the strength that I do have, and, you know, I think that's what I'm grateful for today. Yeah. That's what I'm grateful for. Speaker 1
That's amazing. Speaker 0
Yeah. What are you grateful for? Turn the table. What are you grateful for today? Speaker 1
Yeah. I did already share the earlier the earlier reflection of just really being grateful for you and all the kids and how everyone's doing. But I think in, yeah, and you sharing that, that's great and asking the question. I think that I'm I'm grateful. Specifically, I'd say coming into this, it's so funny. Like, you record a podcast and you listen to it. It's like, of course, this is professional podcast that's been done. Like, what else what were we doing right before this? Well, I just came from a therapy appointment. So these are my therapists who I've been seeing for the past five years. And I am just man, I'm I'm so grateful that one of a friend of ours recommended that, that the two of us connect years ago and that I have a relationship with a therapist because Mhmm. Just sitting down and spending time for an hour with her, man, it just unlocked a whole bunch for me. I just feel so much clarity and conviction coming into that conversation. So I'm grateful. I'm grateful for I'm grateful for John who introduced me to, the counselor and therapist who I see because she's had an amazing impact on my life. I'm grateful for that. I'm glad I did that today. Speaker 0
Love that. Everyone should should have a therapist. Speaker 1
Everyone needs a therapist. Speaker 0
Everyone needs a good therapist. Alright. Well, that's it. That's it for today. Thanks for listening. Speaker 1
Yeah. Thanks for listening. We have so many great episodes coming to close it here. Keep listening. We appreciate you being here. We're grateful that you're here. Speaker 0
We are grateful for you. Speaker 1
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